Size 50 CCMP which to go with....

[agrenier]

Hey guys... I am in the market for my first RC heli and I am going with a size 50 for the first one. I am just starting out - started to learn on a Blade CP which I can't wait to move on from. So I have a Radio and an engine already but I just can't figure out which model I want to get. I know I want a CCMP version so that nocks out the Raptor. I was going to go with a Tiger 50 but they are completely out of stock with no date when they are going to get more.

I would love it if someone could recommend something and why.....

[Motions]

Why are you set on CCPM? You won't find many Raptor pilots that regret getting a Raptor. I my opinion, the Raptor is the best model to start with and it carries you far beyond the beginner stage.

Jump in here Troy.

[agrenier]

isn't there less servo's in a CCMP heli? I thought over all the CCMP heli were easier to build and fly...?

[Motions]

Easier? Depends. You can't really say the build is easier or harder, just a little different. Flying is exactly the same. You would never really be able to tell a difference. Now when it comes to setup, the CCPM is much harder to setup especially for beginners. There a lot of radio setup and mixing whereas non-CCPM has a seperate servo for each function. Which brings me to the number of servos. They use the same number of servos.

Either one would be fine but the CCPM will require a little more work.

[agrenier]

Well since I don't have a CCMP model in mind maybe a Raptor is a better choice. To be honest it is was I was originally going to get until the person that was helping me learn to fly told me a CCMP model would be better and then the model shop told me about the Tiger 50 (which isn't available).... it is just a large chunk of money for something that I already have dumped a lot of money into and I want to make sure I get it right, know what I mean?

[kaji]

I agree with motions. Standard mixing has been here since the late 70s and works fine.

[agrenier]

Well I have taken the plunge and bought a raptor 50 titan. Well I ordered one it is going to take a little while to get here for some reason they are all out.... So is there a major differance between the Raptor 50 Titan, the Raptor SE, and V2??

[Motions]

Not really. The SE adds some metal and carbon fiber parts which would benefit in hard 3D. The Titan has a longer boom and adds push/pull linkages. The v2 is the second generation base model which isn't available any longer. The Titan replaced the v2.

[agrenier]

hmmm... well that is good to know. It is a pretty big price difference (more than $200) so the Titan is going to have for my first Nitro Heli. Now it is just the waiting game for it to get here.

Thanks for all your input.

[Cncguy]

My heli is a Raptor 50 Titan. When / If you ever buy a crash kit make sure you specify it is a Titan or your LHS may put the wrong Boom in the kit. It happened to me.


How well could you fly your CP?

[agrenier]

My CP, well I don't crash so much anymore however I am still just in the hovering stage. I really don't have much time flying yet and the fly for 10 minutes and re-charge time is killing me - which is why I wanted to go nitro, figured a bigger heli might be a little easier to keep stable.

Thanks for the great tip by the way!

[smokinflame]

Hello. I was just going to chime in here. I am glad to hear that you purchased the Raptor. I have both a Raptor 50 and a Venture 30 which uses the CCPM (collective/cyclic pitch mixing). CCPM is different and more difficult to set up. Given the choice I would go with the Raptor for ease of setup and control. I highly doubt you will be disappointed with the Raptor. Be sure to have someone who is good at set up hlep though. That is the key to a fantastic heli. Good Luck.

[ravenyzf-r6]

I am new to the nitro/heli scene also, but I was told that due to the ccpm servos relying on eachother to perform functions, that when one servo dies while flying you are pretty screwed. Where as with the raptor set up, you only lose one control.

[tdswan]

You're screwed in any setup if you lose one servo. Try and land a helicopter with only elevator or aileron control! :eek: the only servo you could get away without possibly is the throttle, until you have to shut it down!

[heli-cuzz]

You're screwed in any setup if you lose one servo. Try and land a helicopter with only elevator or aileron control! :eek: the only servo you could get away without possibly is the throttle, until you have to shut it down!

Here's what happened to my Caliber5 the other day.

Yesterday I was flying my Caliber5. I burned two tanks, and at the end of the second tank, the aileron bellcrank screw fell out. My first thought seeing the heli jump up into the air rolling to an inverted position. I thought radio interference. Anyway, I managed to flatten the heli. It was wobbling and jumping in a very unstable manner. I got it about 4 feet above the deck and hit the throttle hold, it floated down sliding sideways enough that it tipped and the rotor hit the ground. I found the problem as soon as the canopy was pulled off. The damage was a broken blade, broken rotor grip.



Then today, I saved my Cal30 and a club members airplane
The fuel linkage popped off my Caliber 30 and was stuck wide-open. I had to fly it until the tank ran out. I couldn't just hover it because the head speed sounded like it was ready to explode, so I kept the pitch high in FFF to keep a load on the engine. The plane save was funny, kind of. I was training a member of my club on a Raptor30 via buddycord. The plane guy took off so we decided to stop flying the heli. He was all over the place trying to trim his plane out. I asked if he needed help, he replied, "YES", so I ran over and grabbed his radio and got the plane up away from the ground. His trim was full left and it was still leaning right. I flew it around a couple of circuits and landed it. Turned out the plane had a bent aileron rod.







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